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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
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Friday Nov 08, 2024
Friday Nov 08, 2024
This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Dr. Joy Qualls, professor at Biola University and author of God Forgive us for Being Women, to discuss the barriers women face in egalitarian settings to fully walking out their call.
Guest Bio
Joy Qualls is a nationally recognized writer and speaker. Joy currently serves as an Associate Professor of Communication Studies and Associate Dean in the Division of Communication at Biola University. Joy writes and speaks on effective communication, leadership, and who we are as images bearers of Christ. Joy has a passion for the local church and serving the body of Christ through teaching and consultation. Joy is married to Kevin (a Licensed Professional Counselor) and together they teach on healthy relationships including marriage and parenting. They are parents to Blakeley and Soren.
Joy is the author of “God Forgive Us For Being Women: Rhetoric, Theology and the Pentecostal Tradition” (Wipf and Stock, 2018) and is featured in several publications including Influence Magazine, The Table, and Biola Magazine as well as an author in several edited volumes. Joy has been the featured speaker for local church services and events as well as a sought after as a conference speaker and communication consultant.
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Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Nov 01, 2024
Friday Nov 01, 2024
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, “Women and Words: Bible Translation and Why it Matters,” Dr. Helene Dallaire, who holds a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies and serves as the Earl S. Callen Professor of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at Denver Seminary. This episode touches on the most mistranslated verse in Scripture, prophetesses in the Old and New Testament, Genesis 1 and 2, and more!
00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters
01:00 Biblical Texts and Women's Roles
02:44 Cultural Context and Scripture
06:21 Ethical Systems in the Bible
09:52 Women in Biblical History
11:27 Translation Issues and Gender
15:22 Prophets and Prophetesses
28:04 Biblical Equality in Creation
35:59 Conclusion and Resources
Guest Bio
Dr. Hélène Dallaire is our guest today. Hélène earned a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies at Hebrew Union College. At Denver Seminary, Hélène is the Earl S. Kalland Professor OT and Semitic Languages and chairs the OT Department. She has served as Associate Pastor at Word Faith Christian Center in Vancouver and Oakville Canada. Hélène has published widely, with titles such as:
The Baker Illustrated Study Bible
Apollos OT Commentary Series by IVP
Dr. Dallaire has published articles and chapters in:
“Gender Issues and the Role of Women in Joshua,” In Formation and Interpretation of Old Testament Literature. Leiden, Brill
“Women: Let’s Use Our Voices - Psalm 68:12;” “Daughter of Zion/Jerusalem – Zephaniah 3:14-17;” and “A Woman in a Basket – Zechariah 5,” in Every Woman’s Bible, Tyndale
A review of Carol Meyer’s, Rediscovering Eve: Ancient Israelite Women in Context (Oxford) in the Journal of the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament
“Women in the OT: A Legacy to Build On” for Denver Seminary’s Engage
Magazine
Hélène teaches courses on Women in the Old Testament, the Ancient Near East, and Women’s Leadership for the Association of Theological Schools, and with a CBE chapter locally. She serves on the board of the CBE Denver Chapter. Hélène received a 2024 CBE Lifetime Achievement Award.
Related Resources
Presumption, Bias, and Gender Accuracy in Bible Translation
A Familiar Picture: An Update on CBE's Translation Project
The Central Role of Old Testament Prophetesses with Hélène Dallaire
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Oct 25, 2024
Friday Oct 25, 2024
What could it look like to build an egalitarian culture in our churches and organizations? In this episode, Rev. Lisa Johnson, executive director of leadership formation for the ECO denomination, joins Layla and Rob to discuss culture change through proactively inviting women into leadership, doggedly pursuing the 30 percent rule, and being intentional about representation. Beyond her many practical exhortations, listeners will be compelled by Lisa’s description of a culture marked by God’s “irresistible vision” for women and men partnering together in ministry.
Guest Bio
“Rev. Lisa Johnson grew up in Orange County, CA and received her BA in Communication Studies at Westmont College. She received her MDiv at Princeton Seminary and was ordained in 1999. She has ministered at five different churches in New Jersey, Santa Barbara, Orange County, and San Diego as an associate pastor. She now serves as the Executive Director of Leadership Formation for ECO and the Director of Mentored Ministry for FIT. Lisa has a passion for teaching, discipleship, leadership development, and spiritual formation, and loves serving ECO churches in this capacity. She lives in San Diego (Coronado), CA with her husband and has two young adult children, Ellie and Luke.” See more at https://eco-pres.org/staff.
Mentioned in this episode: Better Together: How Women and Men Can Heal the Divide and Work Together to Transform the Future
Related Resources
Video: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive
Complementarianism Exists in Egalitarian Organizations and Churches Because of Patriarchy
Retreating from Retreats: An Egalitarian Vision for Church Conferences
Seven Egalitarian Leaders Reflect on the Movement’s Past, Present, and Future
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Oct 18, 2024
Friday Oct 18, 2024
This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Amy and Rob Dixon who have co-authored the children’s book Penny Preaches and joined us to discuss their book and raising children to empower women.
Guest Bios
Amy Dixon is the author of three picture books––Maurice the Unbeastly, Sophie’s Animal Parade, and Marathon Mouse––as well as a middle-grade novel. When she’s not writing, she is editing and marketing other people’s books. She writes from her home in Clovis, California, where she lives on a steady diet of popcorn and coffee.
Rob Dixon is the author of Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships. In addition to serving on InterVarsity staff for more than twenty-six years, Rob teaches at Fuller Theological Seminary and Fresno Pacific University. In his free time, Rob enjoys pickleball, long runs, and cheering for the LA Dodgers.
Related Resources
- Penny Preaches
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Oct 11, 2024
Friday Oct 11, 2024
In this episode, Mimi Haddad and Kim Dickson interview Dr. Salim Munayer about his work on reconciliation in the Holy Lands. During the first half of the interview, he describes the steps involved in difficult reconciliations. In the second half of the interview, he discusses Jesus’s counter-cultural inclusion of women and their necessary inclusion in creating a lasting peace in the world.
Guest Bio
Salim J. Munayer is executive director and founder of Musalaha Ministry of Reconciliation, which has been bringing Israelis and Palestinian together since 1990 and creating a forum for reconciliation. Salim is a Palestinian-Israeli born in Lod as one of six children and received his BA from Tel Aviv University in History and Geography, his MA from Fuller Theological Seminary, graduate studies in New Testament from Pepperdine University and his PhD from the Oxford Center of Mission Studies in the UK. His doctoral dissertation was written on “The Ethnic Identity of Palestinian Arab Christian Adolescents in Israel.” He has published several books on reconciliation, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and Christians in Israel and the Palestinian authority, his most recent work is Through My Enemy’s Eyes: Envisioning Reconciliation in Israel-Palestine, co-authored with Lisa Loden. Salim served as academic dean of the Bethlehem Bible College from 1989 to 2008 and is a professor at the college. He is also an adjunct professor at Fuller Theological Seminary and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Salim is married to Kay, founder of the Daylight Project, a charity that advocates for social justice among the marginalized in Palestinian and Israeli society. She is also a contributing writer on Another’s Voice, a blog by women providing hopeful perspectives in the midst of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Together they have four adult sons, Jack, Daniel, John, and Sam.
Other Resources
Dr. Salim Munayer began Musalaha: A Vision of Reconciliation
Erica Chenoweth was referenced in this interview. Foreign Policy has recognized Chenoweth as one of the top scholars addressing nonviolent resistance and wrote: Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict.
To learn more about Christianity in the Holy Lands listen to the Mutuality Matters Global Impact Interview with Grace Al-Zoughbi
Like Dr. Munayer describing seeing his own struggles in scripture, read Grace Al-Zoughbi’s Mutuality article: God's Surprising Hesed: Reading Ruth as a Palestinian Woman
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Oct 04, 2024
Friday Oct 04, 2024
In this episode, Dr. Hélène Dallaire joins the discussion on biblical translation biases and the importance of accurately reflecting women in Scripture. The conversation covers how English readers can detect biases, the significance of diverse translation teams, and the dangers of relying on one translation alone. Dr. Dallaire emphasizes the need for critical examination of key passages on women, men, and marriage, advocating for interpretations that reflect women’s biblical equality. She shares insights from her course material about women in the ancient Near East to deepen understanding of biblical women. The episode encourages listeners to use multiple translations and engage with egalitarian resources to enhance their comprehension of Scripture.
Guest Bio
Dr. Hélène Dallaire is our guest today. Hélène earned a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies at Hebrew Union College. At Denver Seminary, Hélène is the Earl S. Kalland Professor OT and Semitic Languages and chairs the OT Department. She has served as Associate Pastor at Word Faith Christian Center in Vancouver and Oakville Canada. Hélène has published widely, with titles such as:
- Apollos OT Commentary Series by IVP
- Dr. Dallaire has published articles and chapters in:
- “Gender Issues and the Role of Women in Joshua,” In Formation and Interpretation of Old Testament Literature. Leiden, Brill
- “Women: Let’s Use Our Voices - Psalm 68:12;” “Daughter of Zion/Jerusalem – Zephaniah 3:14-17;” and “A Woman in a Basket – Zechariah 5,” in Every Woman’s Bible, Tyndale
- A review of Carol Meyer’s, Rediscovering Eve: Ancient Israelite Women in Context (Oxford) in the Journal of the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament
- “Women in the OT: A Legacy to Build On” for Denver Seminary’s Engage Magazine
Hélène teaches courses on Women in the Old Testament, the Ancient Near East, and Women’s Leadership for the Association of Theological Schools, and with a CBE chapter locally. She serves on the board of the CBE Denver Chapter. Hélène received a 2024 CBE Lifetime Achievement Award.
Related Resources
Presumption and Bias in Bible Translation
Why We Need to Correct for Patriarchal Bias in Bible Translations
Women and Words: Translation Bias and How to Read the Bible Well with Dr. Roy Ciampa
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Sep 27, 2024
Friday Sep 27, 2024
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, Christy Mesaros-Winckles traces women’s ordination and leadership in the Free Methodist Church. Highlighting three women evangelists, and a key ally in their efforts to attain ordination, Mesaros-Winckles traces shift of the Free Methodist Church from very inclusive to exclusive. Mesaros-Winckles speaks to the power of the messages people absorbed as society shifted, specifically in the context of a strong anti-suffragist movement. These messages slowed the egalitarian movement, silencing women and ordination until 1974.
Bio
Dr. Christy Mesaros-Winckles is an associate professor in the Communication Arts & Sciences Department at Adrian College. She has a doctorate degree in Communication Studies from Bowling Green State University and is a two-time graduate of Spring Arbor University, where she completed both her Bachelor of Arts in communication and her Master of Arts in communication studies/professional writing. The author of several academic book chapters and peer-reviewed research articles, she strives to make her research accessible to a wider audience through her blog Free Methodist Feminist.
Resources Referenced
Silenced: The Forgotten Story of Progressive Era Free Methodist Women by Christy Mesaros-Winckles
Ordaining Women (1893) by Benjamin Titus Roberts
Book Review by Kimberly Dickson: "Silenced: The Forgotten Story of Progressive Era Free Methodist Women," Priscilla Papers, Summer 2024.
Related Resources from CBE
Video: Silence, Women, and the Church with Aida Besancon Spencer (Spanish)
Book Review: Voices Long Silenced: Women Biblical Interpreters through the Centuries Complicity and Silence: How Lament Could Lead Us Toward a Better Place
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Sep 20, 2024
Friday Sep 20, 2024
This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by the Rev. Dr. Heather Matthews, program manager for the Doctor of Ministry program at Wheaton College Graduate School and author of Confronting Sexism in the Church to talk about a theology of antisexism and creating environments where women and men lead in interdependence and mutuality.
Bios:
The Rev. Dr. Heather Matthews is the Doctor of Ministry program manager at Wheaton College Graduate School. Dr. Matthews has also worked as a pastor, church planter, non-profit leader, and global worker for over twenty years.
Heather has a DMin from Fuller Seminary, an MA in Educational Ministry and an MA in Counseling Ministry from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and a BS in Biomedical Engineering from Northwestern University in Evanston, IL.
Heather’s area of expertise is women in church leadership. She is the author of Confronting Sexism in the Church: How We Got Here and What We Can Do About It (IVP 2024).
Heather’s broad range of personal and professional experience allows her to teach and consult on topics including abuse and trauma; gender and sexuality; healthy Christian leadership; church planting and pastoral ministry; marriage and divorce; betrayal and pornography; social and racial justice issues, cross-cultural issues, and local and global mission.
Heather has four children and lives in the Chicago suburbs.
Resources by Dr. Heather Matthews:
Confronting Sexism in the Church
Related CBE Resources:
The Perfect Storm: Recovering from Shipwreck in Structural Sexism
The Pink Mic: A Token of Sexism in Churches
Groanings of a New Creation: Racism and Sexism in the World Church
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Sep 06, 2024
Friday Sep 06, 2024
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, “Women in Words: Bible Translation and Why it Matters,” Dr. Helene Dallaire, who holds a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies and serves as the Earl S. Callen Professor of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at Denver Seminary, shares insights on the complexities of Bible translation, the importance of cultural sensitivity, and women in biblical scholarship. She highlights examples from her work in Israel, the Philippines, and with various Bible translation organizations, and emphasizes the need for diverse perspectives in translation teams to avoid biases and achieve accurate translations. The episode touches on the universality of biblical messages and the unique challenges faced by women in different cultural contexts.
00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters
00:40 Introducing Dr. Hélène Dallaire
02:37 Hélène's Journey into Bible Translation
07:30 Experiences in Bible Translation
19:48 Complexities and Challenges in Translation
27:13 Addressing Bias in Bible Translation
Guest Bio
Dr. Hélène Dallaire is our guest today. Hélène earned a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies at Hebrew Union College. At Denver Seminary, Hélène is the Earl S. Kalland Professor OT and Semitic Languages and chairs the OT Department. She has served as Associate Pastor at Word Faith Christian Center in Vancouver and Oakville Canada. Hélène has published widely, with titles such as:
- Apollos OT Commentary Series by IVP
- Dr. Dallaire has published articles and chapters in:
- “Gender Issues and the Role of Women in Joshua,” In Formation and Interpretation of Old Testament Literature. Leiden, Brill
- “Women: Let’s Use Our Voices - Psalm 68:12;” “Daughter of Zion/Jerusalem – Zephaniah 3:14-17;” and “A Woman in a Basket – Zechariah 5,” in Every Woman’s Bible, Tyndale
- A review of Carol Meyer’s, Rediscovering Eve: Ancient Israelite Women in Context (Oxford) in the Journal of the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament
- “Women in the OT: A Legacy to Build On” for Denver Seminary’s Engage Magazine
Hélène teaches courses on Women in the Old Testament, the Ancient Near East, and Women’s Leadership for the Association of Theological Schools, and with a CBE chapter locally. She serves on the board of the CBE Denver Chapter. Hélène received a 2024 CBE Lifetime Achievement Award.
Related Resources
Presumption and Bias in Bible Translation
Why We Need to Correct for Patriarchal Bias in Bible Translations
Women and Words: Translation Bias and How to Read the Bible Well with Dr. Roy Ciampa
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Aug 16, 2024
Friday Aug 16, 2024
This episode is a part of the Home, Church, and World theme of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this episode we discuss dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society. We’re joined by Dr. Mark Chironna, who is a Pentecostal bishop, semiotician, and founding pastor of Church on the Living Edge in Longwood, Florida. Dr. Mark Chironna describes how the church is strengthened as a result of women and men leading in mutuality rather than headship.
00:00 Welcome to Mutuality Matters
00:31 Introduction to Headship Theology
01:06 Interview with Dr. Mark Sharona
02:01 Debunking Headship Theology
02:36 Historical and Cultural Context
07:03 Women in Ministry: Personal Experiences
09:44 The Role of Women in Church History
13:17 Theological Reflections on Women’s Biblical Equality
26:48 Practical Steps for Church Leadership
30:42 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Bios: [Source]
Mark Chironna serves as a bishop in the International Communion of Charismatic Churches, and the presiding bishop of a network of related pastors and churches, as well as the founder and bishop protector of the Order of St. Maximus, a religious order in the tradition of the many orders that have existed in church history. He has pioneered local churches in Raleigh, North Carolina, as well as Longwood, Florida, where he currently serves as overseer of the Church on the Living Edge.
He has been involved in the proclamation of the Gospel for almost five decades now, internationally. His academic training includes an undergraduate degree in Music Education and Performance, while minoring in Religion from Wagner University; a Master of Arts in Psychology from Saybrook University; a Doctor of Ministry in Applied Semiotics and Futures Studies from George Fox University; and a Doctor of Philosophy in Pentecostal Theology from University of Birmingham, UK. In addition, he is a board certified coach with over 20,000 hours of coaching and coach-mentoring experience, spanning almost three decades.
Read Mark’s latest book On the Edge of Hope.
Related Resources
Pentecostal Women Leaders: The Interplay of Egalitarian Theology, Feminism, and Pentecostalism
Headship Madness: An Introduction to “Headship” (Part 1)
Home, Church, and World: What is Headship Theology? Part 1 with Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams
Home, Church, and World: What is Headship Theology? Part 2 with Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.