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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
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Friday Jun 13, 2025
Friday Jun 13, 2025
This episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by CBE International, interviews Mayra Ugalde who delves into the significant role women played in Paul's ministry and offers insights into commonly misunderstood biblical passages used to limit women's roles in church and society. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the cultural context of scripture, the equality in Christ beyond gender, and the mutual submission in Christian marriage. Various translations of key texts like Ephesians 5 and Genesis 3:16 are compared to highlight biases and interpretations. The episode concludes with a call to read the Bible holistically to grasp its true message of equality and mutuality in Christ.
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters
00:35 The Importance of Bible Translations
02:53 Women in the Bible: Lessons from Mark
03:54 Jesus' Acceptance of Women's Offerings
08:01 Encouragement for Women in Ministry
09:38 Women as Witnesses and Apostles
15:40 Addressing Difficult Bible Passages
24:46 Equality in Christ
25:37 Phoebe and Women Leaders in the Early Church
28:42 Biblical Texts on Marriage and Mutual Submission
39:36 Interpreting Genesis 3:16
43:17 The Role of Sin and Grace in the Bible
46:21 The Church as a Demonstration of God's Kingdom
48:35 Conclusion and Call to Action
Related Resources
Women and Words: From Oppression to Empowerment with Mayra Ugalde: Part 1 https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-from-oppression-to-empowerment-women-in-scripture/
Women and Words: The Intersection of Culture and Bible Translation with Mayra Ugalde: Part 2
https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-the-intersection-of-culture-and-bible-translation/
Women and Words: The Intersection of Culture and Bible Translation with Mayra Ugalde: Part 3
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
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