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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
Episodes
Friday Jul 07, 2023
Friday Jul 07, 2023
Dr. Philip B. Payne is a key member of CBE’s Bible Translation Team. He was active and instrumental from the very start! During episodes one and two, Mimi and Phil explore the important translation decisions of the New Testament team on difficult texts such as 1 Timothy 2:11–15, 3:1–12; Ephesians 5:21–33; 1 Corinthians 11:2–16; 1 Peter 2:18, and more! Phil brings in conversations from the first century and explains some of the complexities to the whole translation process as it impacts the lives of girls, women, and their communities worldwide.
Guest bio: Philip B. Payne (Ph.D. University of Cambridge) has taught New Testament in colleges like the University of Cambridge, Trinity Evangelical Theological Seminary, Gordon- Conwell Theological Seminary, Bethel Seminary, and Fuller Theological Seminary. He is an expert on women in the Bible and Codex Vaticanus. His books include Man and Woman, One in Christ, Why Can’t Women Do That? and The Bible vs. Biblical Womanhood: How God’s Word Consistently Affirms Gender Equality. He and his wife Nancy were missionaries in Japan. Their three children and six grandchildren all love the Lord.
Resources by Dr. Philip B. Payne:
CBE resources by Philip B. Payne
Follow @philipbpayne on Twitter!
Click to visit a list of resources by Dr. Philip B. Payne.
The Christian Post articles by Philip B. Payne:
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Can women be pastors? What I discovered during 50 years of research.
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Does 1 Timothy 2:12-15 prohibit women from teaching or having authority over men?
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Does I Corinthians say women have to cover their heads?
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What Ephesians 5really teaches about husband-wife submission
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Mutual submission in 1 Peter 3:1-7: Husband submit to wife?
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Is the 'order of creation' male authority Bible argument valid?
Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Friday Jun 16, 2023
Friday Jun 16, 2023
Show Notes
Both complementarians and egalitarians have cited the doctrine of the imago Dei in the early chapters of Genesis as a cornerstone for their theology on women and men. Blake and Erin talk with Dr. Lucy Peppiatt about her book: The Imago Dei: Humanity Made in the Image of God. In this discussion, Dr. Peppiatt skillfully breaks down complex theological arguments often weaponized against women, such as the eternal subordination of Christ and 1 Corinthians 11:7–9. Be sure to pick up the book (and others by Peppiatt) at the CBE bookstore and visit her college’s website for free resources that link to the podcast discussion and her books: https://wtctheology.org.uk/lucy-peppiatt/
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Author and instructor, Dr. Lucy Peppiatt has been Principal of WTC (Westminster Theological Centre) since 2013. She teaches courses in Christian doctrine and spiritual formation. She holds bachelor’s degrees in both English and Theology. She completed her MA in systematic theology at King’s College, London, and her PhD through the University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand. Lucy’s research interests are Christ and the Spirit, charismatic theology, theological anthropology, discipleship, 1 Corinthians, and women in the Bible. Lucy is part of Crossnet Anglican Church in Bristol. She is married to Nick Crawley, and they have four sons and four daughters-in-law. She is the author of several books such as Rediscovering Scripture's Vision for Women: Fresh Perspectives on Disputed Texts, Women and Worship at Corinth, Unveiling Paul’s Women: Making Sense of 1 Corinthians 11:2–16, and The Imago Dei: Humanity Made in the Image of God.
Friday Jun 02, 2023
Friday Jun 02, 2023
Show Notes
Have you ever wondered why there are so many different Bible translations? And which Bible translation is the “best” translation to use? On this episode of Mutuality Matters, Dr. Mimi Haddad and Dr. Jeffrey Miller answer these questions and discuss the two major theories of Bible translation: formal equivalence (word-for-word) and functional equivalence (phrase-for-phrase). Jeff also gives some fascinating insights into which theory they used and when in CBE’s Bible translation project!
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Jeff Miller is editor of CBE’s academic journal, Priscilla Papers. He holds bachelor’s degrees in pastoral ministry and church music, an MDiv, and a PhD in biblical interpretation. Since 1999 he has taught biblical studies at Milligan University in eastern Tennessee. He is a member of the Evangelical Theological Society and has published articles in journals such as The Bible Translator, Leaven, Restoration Quarterly, and Stone-Campbell Journal and CBE’s Mutuality. He and his wife Dana have two adult daughters and five grandchildren. For a list of resources by Jeff, visit CBE’s website here.
Resources Cited
- Journals
- Books:
- New Testament for Everyone: Complete Eighteen-Volume Set, by N.T. Wright
- Bible Translations cited during the Show:
- Common English Bible: (CEB)
- Contemporary English Version (CEV)
- The NET Bible (NET)
- New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
- The New International Bible (NIV)
Bible Passages Cited
- Matthew 4:17: “From that time on Jesus began to preach, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.’” CEB
- Proverbs 31:23: “Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land.” NASB
- Proverbs 31:31: “Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates.” NASB
- Luke 13:18-21: “So He was saying, “What is the kingdom of God like, and to what shall I compare it? It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and threw into his own garden; and it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the sky nested in its branches.” And again He said, “To what shall I compare the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three sata of flour until it was all leavened.” CEB
Other Resources
- E-learning Courses:
- Videos
- Gender Language in Bible Translation: From KJV to NIV
- Video: Gender-Accurate Bible Translation Panel
- Mutuality Matters Podcast
- Mutuality Magazine
- “Presumption and Bias in Bible Translation”
- “Gender Accuracy in Bible Translation”
- “The New NIV 2011”
- Mutuality Blog:
- Resources on Formal vs. Functional Equivalence:
Friday May 26, 2023
Friday May 26, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, Mimi and Kim interview Brad Twedt of International Justice Mission (IJM). Brad explains IJM’s work to address violence against women and children in the machismo culture of Central and South America. IJM works with the police departments, prosecutors, departments of justice, and local community anti-violence advocates to change the culture of violence against women. As they face powerful forces, they find that reliance on God in praise, supplication, and lament gives them the strength in their work.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Brad Twedt serves as executive vice president, global people support, at International Justice Mission (IJM). IJM is a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting people in poverty from slavery and other forms of violence. A lawyer by training, Brad started his service at IJM as a volunteer Legal Fellow in Kampala, Uganda, and Guatemala City, Guatemala. He then stepped into over a decade of leadership in IJM’s Latin America region. He led IJM’s program aimed at violence against women and children in Central America as Guatemala country director and as Northern Triangle regional vice president. Brad and his wife, ReJean, returned to the US in 2022 after residing in Guatemala City for nearly eleven years. Brad received his JD from the Columbia University School of Law and joined IJM after a legal career in both New York City and Chicago.
Contact Information
IJM Website: https://www.ijm.org/our-work
Brad Twedt: btwedt@ijm.org
Resources
Books Referenced in Interview by Gary Haugen:
Good News About Injustice: A Witness of Courage in a Hurting World
The Locust Effect: Why the End of Poverty Requires the End of Violence
Book Review: Is There Any Good News About Injustice? By Victoria Peterson-Hilleque
Mutuality Matters podcast referenced in Closing: (Intersectionality) Hope & Justice-Dismantling and Reconciling through the Psalms with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes
Books by and about Katherine Bushnell referenced in closing:
God’s Word to Women by Katharine Bushnell
Daughters of Deliverance by Lorry Lutz
The Queen’s Daughters by Lorry Lutz
Read about the link between poverty and violence against women: Why Does Injustice Against Women Abound?
Friday May 12, 2023
Friday May 12, 2023
Show Notes
Why is history critical for how we understand theology? Author, professor, and historian Dr. Beth Allison Barr discusses her two new, forthcoming projects with Erin and Blake. Listeners get a front-row sneak peek into why the rise of the “pastor's wife” role affected women’s ordination and why medieval history needs to be rediscovered by Protestants for the sake of women and men in our churches.
Bio
Beth Allison Barr is the James Vardaman Professor of History at Baylor University. She earned her PhD in Medieval History from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and is the bestselling author of The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. She is also a pastor’s wife and mom of two great kids. She is currently working on two new publications: Becoming the Pastor’s Wife: The History of How Marriage (Not Ordination) Became Women’s Pathway to Ministry and Losing Our Medieval Religion: The Cost of Forgetting History for White Evangelical Christians.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Other Reading
The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth
A Medieval Makeover: Women’s Roles Before and After the Reformation
The Pastoral Care of Women in Late Medieval England (Gender in the Middle Ages)
Friday May 05, 2023
Friday May 05, 2023
Show Notes
On this episode of Mutuality Matters, Dr. Mimi Haddad introduces the newest podcast thread, “Women and Words: Why Bible Translation Matters” with guest, Dr. Jeffrey Miller. Jeff gives listeners a window into the world of Bible translation and interpretation, and shares about CBE’s gender-accurate Bible translation team, their struggles, successes, and surprises. Learn about how you can support CBE’s Bible translation team here.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Jeff Miller is editor of CBE’s academic journal, Priscilla Papers. He holds bachelor’s degrees in pastoral ministry and church music, an MDiv, and a PhD in biblical interpretation. Since 1999 he has taught biblical studies at Milligan University in eastern Tennessee. He is a member of the Evangelical Theological Society and has published articles in journals such as The Bible Translator, Leaven, Restoration Quarterly, and Stone-Campbell Journal and CBE’s Mutuality. He and his wife Dana have two adult daughters and two grandchildren. For a list of resources by Jeff, visit CBE’s website here.
Resources Cited
- Journals
- Books:
- Bible Translations cited during the Show:
- Common English Bible: (CEB)
- Contemporary English Version (CEV)
- The NET Bible (NET)
- New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Bible Passages Cited
- Genesis 2:18: The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable (ezer knegdo) for him.” NIV
- Mark 5:25: And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years. NIV
- Hebrews 11:11: And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. NIV
- Colossians 4:1: “Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.” NIV
- 1 Timothy 2: 11-15: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. NIV
- Isaiah 3:12: Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path. NIV
- Ephesians 5:33: “However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.” NIV
Other Resources
Video: Gender-Accurate Bible Translation Panel
Beyond Bias: Aligning towards God’s Vision for Women and Men in Bible Translation
Friday Apr 28, 2023
Friday Apr 28, 2023
Show Notes
This month, Layla and Rob are joined by married co-pastors (and co-parents!) Rici and Phil Skei. Two themes emerged from the conversation. First, Rici shares her testimony of God speaking to her (while driving on the freeway!) about there being no limits on her ministry leadership. Second, the Skeis paint a compelling picture of joyful role flexibility, both in ministry and in the home.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Phil and Rici Skei are both natives of Fresno, California. They serve as co-pastors of On Ramps Covenant Church in their downtown Fresno neighborhood. In addition to pastoring alongside Rici, Phil works as the assistant director of planning and development for the City of Fresno where he oversees the development of affordable housing and homeless response. Phil received his bachelor of science degree from CSU Fresno, and his Master of Divinity degree from the Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary (Fresno, California). Rici holds a bachelor's degree in psychology and master's degree in education – both from Fresno Pacific University, as well as a master's degree in Christian Formation from North Park Theological Seminary. They are both ordained ministers with the Evangelical Covenant Church and are contributing authors to Out of Nazareth: Christ-Centered Civic Transformation in Unlikely Places. Additionally, Rici published, Let the People Worship, a 40-Day Devotional which is being used throughout the Country as a way to develop and invest in both English-speaking and Spanish-speaking worship leaders and praise teams. Rici and Phil have been married since 2001 and are the proud parents of two beautiful daughters.
Listeners can reach Phil and Rici Skei at:
Phil-Rici Skei on Facebook
@philskei on Twitter
@riciskei, @teamskei and @onrampschurch on Instagram
Other Resources:
My Ordination Story: A Calling Affirmed
Building Confidence in Your Calling: Overcoming the Inner Critic
Friday Apr 14, 2023
Friday Apr 14, 2023
Show Notes
How would a marriage partnership shift when one person contracts a chronic illness? How should we address complementarian standards of gender roles in the home when considering the limits of our spouses? In the Spring 2023 issue of Mutuality Magazine, grief counselor and professor, Kailey Bradley writes about these topics and then joins Erin and Blake for a conversation about Ableism, gender roles, and the interdependency of the gospel.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Kailey earned her bachelor of arts from Mount Vernon Nazarene University in 2012 and finished her master's in clinical mental health counseling at Ashland Theological Seminary in 2015. Kailey has a background in hospice work and feels that companioning and advocating for grievers is her life’s passion. She is a counselor at Refuge Counseling and specializes in working with individuals of all ages, with special interest and care given to children’s bereavement, complicated grief, perinatal loss, and chronic illness. Kailey has completed training at the center for loss and life transition and is a licensed clinical thanatologist. Kailey is also an adjunct professor at Ashland Theological Seminary where she teaches grief and crisis counseling courses. She recently contributed an article to the Spring 2023 Issue of Mutuality Magazine titled, “Caregiving & Gender Equity in Interabled Relationships.”
You can contact Kailey in the following ways:
Related Resources
Caregiving and Gender Equity in Interabled Relationships
Friday Apr 07, 2023
Friday Apr 07, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, Mimi and Kim continue their conversation with Dr. Vandana Kant. Inspired by the example of Jesus as shepherd, she and her team creatively seek out the sick, hurting, and shunned women to provide transformative love, care, and value. After years of work that began in the 1990s with Dr. Aletta Bell, they are now beginning to see significant changes in the surrounding community.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio:
Dr. Vandana Kant, in addition to her medical degree, has a master’s in public health (MPH). For the past fifteen years she has been the project director for community health and development projects in North India.
Contact Information
Email: vandana@eha-health.org
Learn More
A video about Dr. Vandana Kant https://youtu.be/DqxNg9Cd3Aw
Emmanuel Hospital Association: https://eha-health.org/
Duncan Hospital: https://duncanhospital-eha.org/
India’s Invisible Girl Project: https://invisiblegirlproject.org/
Other Resources:
Part One: Global Impact: Women’s Health and Status in North India with Dr. Vandana Kant
Helping Christians Set Trends for Oppressed Women in India: Ellen Alexander and Beulah Wood
Woman in India: Her Choices, Struggles, and Destinations: Finny Philip
Friday Mar 31, 2023
Friday Mar 31, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, Mimi and Kim interview Dr. Vandana Kant who describes the health outcomes of cultures that favor males. Inspired by the example of Jesus as shepherd, she and her team creatively seek out the sick, hurting, and shunned women to provide transformative love, care, and value. After years of work that began in the 1990s with Dr. Aletta Bell, they are now beginning to see significant changes in the surrounding community for girls and women.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Vandana Kant, in addition to her medical degree, has a master’s in public health (MPH). For the past fifteen years she has been the project director for community health and development projects in North India.
Contact Information
Email: vandana@eha-health.org
Learn More
A video about Dr. Vandana Kant https://youtu.be/DqxNg9Cd3Aw
Emmanuel Hospital Association: https://eha-health.org/
Duncan Hospital: https://duncanhospital-eha.org/
India’s Invisible Girl Project: https://invisiblegirlproject.org/
Other Resources
Read about the condition for women in India by Beulah Wood in A Theology of the Generations
Listen to Helping Christians Set Trends for Oppressed Women in India: Ellen Alexander and Beulah Wood
Listen to our Mutuality Matters Podcast Interview with Dr Bell - Founder of Raxaul Community Health & Development Project