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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
Episodes
Friday Mar 24, 2023
Friday Mar 24, 2023
Show Notes:
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This month, Rev. Elaine May joins Layla and Rob to share a hopeful vision for shared leadership in the context of God’s mission. Along the way, she shares a compelling list of practical tips, including emotional health and self-leadership, “gospel humility,” creating leadership pipelines that develop women into leaders, and intentionally modeling fruitful partnerships for the next generation.
Bio:
Rev. Elaine May is a ministry consultant with the Christian Reformed Church in North America. Elaine's consultation work focuses on the development of leaders who partner with God in his redemptive mission. She is graduating from Fuller Theological Seminary with her Doctor of Ministry in Lifelong Leadership Development this Spring. Elaine and her husband Greg have four emerging adults. The family's home base is in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
To connect with Elaine, go to crcna.org/womensleadership.
On Facebook: Elaine Van Til May
Other Resources:
The Experiences of Women in Church and Denominational Leadership
Friday Mar 17, 2023
Friday Mar 17, 2023
Show Notes
When considering the call of Christ on every believer's life, Rev. Stephanie Wilkins condenses it down simply to showing up to love God and others well. She and Angela explore how an ethos rooted in Christ’s love for us propels Rev. Stephanie as an activist and an educator to show up in a broken world and bring forth positive change. Going into the public sphere as a “first responder” of moral agency follows the path of Jesus to go where the needs are greatest. Doing what Jesus did, this practical theologian will inspire you to show up to love.
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Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Rev. Wilkins transitioned from educating children to a second career working to serve God through ministry when she answered her call in 2013. She graduated from Southern Methodist University Perkins School of Theology in 2018 with a Master of Arts in Ministry. She was ordained as a United Methodist Deacon in 2021. She is currently working on her Doctorate in Ministry at United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio. Rev. Stephanie works in the area of Social Justice and Community Engagement. She is one of the Associate Pastors of St. John’s Downtown. She has been involved in organizing the Poor People’s Campaign, Black Voters Matter, Pure Justice (a criminal justice reform advocacy group), and the Houston Society for Change. Rev. Wilkins sees her call as one that follows the example of Christ. “Jesus was what I would call a “first responder;” Jesus went where the trouble was, and that is what I am called to do.” She believes in the scripture found in Matthew 25 which reads, “Whatever you did to the least of these my brothers and sisters, you did it to me.” To be on the side of the oppressed and to work to alleviate suffering is her call and she strives to answer it daily.
Other Reading
Educator and Visionary: A Profile of Mary McLeod Bethune
Righteous Love: Making Space for Love Among Black Women
Great Love: Reflections on Jesus’s Inclusion of the Unnamed Woman
Means of Contacting
Friday Mar 10, 2023
Friday Mar 10, 2023
Show Notes
What does purity culture have to do with toxic masculinity? Author Zachary Wagner talks about his forthcoming book with Erin and Blake, Non-Toxic Masculinity: Recovering Healthy Male Sexuality. They discuss how both women and men are dehumanized by purity culture and toxic masculinity, and how Jesus and the gospel restores them both. Enjoying the podcast? Take our survey and help shape the future of Mutuality Matters! Go to cbe.today/podsurvey.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Zachary Wagner is editorial director for the Center for Pastor Theologians. He is currently pursuing a PhD in New Testament at the University of Oxford. He lives in Oxford, England, with his wife and three children. He is the author of a new book coming out in April 2023 titled, Non-Toxic Masculinity: Recovering Healthy Male Sexuality.
Related Resources
My Kingdom for a World of Such Men: 3 Hallmarks of Healthy Masculinity
The Tears of Men: The Emotional Masculinity of Jesus and Saint Francis
Jesus’ Vision for Masculinity: The (Actual) Best A Man Can Get
Friday Mar 03, 2023
Friday Mar 03, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim continue their discussion with Dr. Beth Birmingham who explores egalitarian leadership in Christian humanitarian organizations. Birmingham gives clear insight into the day-to-day operations of Christian NGOs and reveals that their attempts at cultural sensitivity can lead to ignoring harmful patriarchal norms and gatekeeping women from leadership.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Beth Birmingham is an author, speaker, and chief facilitator for The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development. As a previous full-time professor at Eastern University, she’s spent 25 years developing leaders for and serving in global development organizations, work that has taken her to over 30 countries. She is the co-author of Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive (IVP, 2022) and past publications on NGO Partnerships, including Shared Strength (Compassion Press, 2010). Beth is a member of the Wheaton Consortium for Development, Gender, and Christianity. Beth holds a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University, and an MBA in International Economic Development from Eastern University.
Contact Information
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethbirmingham
Email: Beth@the-christianalliance.org
Learn More about Dr. Birmingham
https://www.cbeinternational.org/person/beth-birmingham/
https://www.eastern.edu/beth-birmingham
https://www.ivpress.com/beth-birmingham
https://www.tearfundusa.org/beth_birmingham
Resources
Read Dr. Beth Birmingham’s book, Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive.
Read a preview to Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Speaker Highlight: Beth Birmingham and Eeva Sallinen Simard.
Watch Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Video: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Creating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive.
Listen to our Mutuality Matters Podcast Interview with Ron and Arbutus Sider.
Friday Feb 24, 2023
Friday Feb 24, 2023
Show Notes
This month Layla and Rob chat with Amy and Mac Smith, married campus ministers. The Smiths help us think through the nitty gritty details of partnership in ministry and in marriage. How do they make it work? They’re super intentional! Listeners will be inspired (and challenged!) by their example of abundant communication, working through power differentials, being purposeful with modeling, taking gifting seriously, and even resolving conflict publicly!
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Amy and Mac Smith have been on staff with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship for twenty-five years. Amy is a regional ministry director for InterVarsity in the Rocky Mountain Region and Mac is a senior area ministry director for InterVarsity in Northern Utah. Amy and Mac spent nine years leading ministry in Reno, Nevada, where they built one of the largest InterVarsity chapters in the country and saw hundreds of students come to faith and developed many students into lifelong Christian leaders. In 2007 they moved to Utah where at the time there was just a handful of students on two campuses and now fifteen years later there are over 400 students involved with InterVarsity from every campus in the state of Utah. Amy and Mac live in Ogden, Utah, with their two boys—Gabe, 17, and Hudson, 14.
If listeners would like to connect…
Mac’s email: mac.smith@intervarsity.org
Amy’s email: amy.smith@intervarsity.org
Related Resources
Strategies for an Equal Marriage in the Midst of Unequal Career Demands
Women and Men Leading Together: Living as the Beloved Community with Drs. Quentin and Cindy Kinnison
Leading Together: Lessons from Sharing Leadership in Ministry and Marriage
Saturday Feb 18, 2023
Saturday Feb 18, 2023
Show Notes
If you say that you follow Jesus, then your life should reflect the teachings of Jesus. Angela and Dr. Susan K. Williams Smith discuss how the teachings of Jesus stood diametrically opposed to doctrines that support empire-building and oppressive power structures. Instead, we are called to love each other and to tend to the least of these within our society. The call to be a Christian is a call to a radical lifestyle that is not always popular but does usher in the reign of Christ on earth.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Susan K. Williams Smith is an ordained minister, musician, writer, and activist living in Columbus, Ohio. She has written for the Washington Post and Huffington Post, as well as on her blog, Candid Observations. She currently serves as one of the tri-chairs for the Ohio Poor People’s Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival. She also serves as national scribe for the African American Ministers’ Leadership Council (AAMLC), communications consultant for the Samuel DeWitt Proctor Conference, and is the founder of Crazy Faith Ministries. She is a graduate of Occidental College and Yale Divinity School and earned a DMin from United Theological Seminary. Her previous book, Crazy Faith: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Lives, was published by Judson Press.
Means of Contacting
Susan@sdpconference.info
crazyfaithministries.org
https://www.facebook.com/CandidObserver
Twitter: @cassady2euca
Related Reading:
Womanist Liberation for All
We Are Our Foremothers’ Wildest Dream
Women in Scripture and Mission: Sojourner Truth
Audio: Recovering History: Antebellum Evangelical Feminist Voices in the Condemnation of Slavery
Friday Feb 10, 2023
Friday Feb 10, 2023
Show Notes
Did women hold positions of authority in the early church? Dr. Nijay Gupta talks with hosts Erin and Blake about his forthcoming book, Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church. Be sure to pick up Dr. Gupta’s book on March 14 and visit his blog, Crux Sola, https://www.patheos.com/blogs/cruxsola/ or follow him on Twitter @NijayKGupta or listen to his podcast: Slow Theology.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Nijay K. Gupta (PhD, New Testament, University of Durham) is a professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary. Previously, he was a professor of New Testament at Portland Seminary, where he also oversaw the master's thesis program and advised doctoral students. He is the author of the book Tell Her Story, Worship That Makes Sense to Paul, and Prepare, Succeed, Advance: A Guidebook for Getting a PhD in Biblical Studies and Beyond along with Bible commentaries and over a dozen academic articles in theological journals.
Related Resources
Why Deborah Makes All the Difference
Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church
Friday Feb 03, 2023
Friday Feb 03, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim interview Dr. Beth Birmingham who explores egalitarian leadership in Christian humanitarian organizations, discussing how their cultural, theological, and organizational perspectives often determine their commitment to egalitarian leadership. Birmingham combines a straight-forward analysis with personal faith and on-the-ground mentoring of women and men to provide a powerful lens into human flourishing in the nonprofit world.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Beth Birmingham is an author, speaker, and chief facilitator for The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development. As a previous full-time professor at Eastern University, she’s spent 25 years developing leaders for and serving in global development organizations, work that has taken her to over 30 countries. She is the co-author of Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive (IVP, 2022) and past publications on NGO Partnerships, including Shared Strength (Compassion Press, 2010). Beth is a member of the Wheaton Consortium for Development, Gender, and Christianity. Beth holds a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University, and an MBA in International Economic Development from Eastern University.
Contact Information
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethbirmingham
Email: Beth@the-christianalliance.org
Learn More about Dr. Birmingham
https://www.cbeinternational.org/person/beth-birmingham/
https://www.eastern.edu/beth-birmingham
https://www.ivpress.com/beth-birmingham
https://www.tearfundusa.org/beth_birmingham
Resources
Read Dr. Beth Birmingham’s book, Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive.
Read a preview to Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Speaker Highlight: Beth Birmingham and Eeva Sallinen Simard.
Watch Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Video: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Creating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive.
Listen to our Mutuality Matters Podcast Interview with Ron and Arbutus Sider.
Friday Jan 27, 2023
Friday Jan 27, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, Layla and Rob sit down with Rev. Dr. Erin Moniz and Father Matthew Aughtry to learn about their unique ministry partnership. During the week, Matthew works for Erin, but on the weekend the reverse is true! You’ll enjoy hearing Erin and Matthew talk about how a deep and vital friendship, an open-handed view of power, and a healthy dose of communication make their partnership thrive.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Filmmaker, priest, and chaplain. Before helping plant All Saints, Fr. Matthew Aughtry served the ACNA at Christ Church Waco and ACNA/C4SO at Resurrection Los Angeles. He works for Baylor University as a chaplain overseeing ministry to artists and working to foster a deeper imagination for God’s kingdom through various artistic mediums. He is also a Brehm Scholar in theology and film at Fuller Theological Seminary. He is married to Kathryn and they have two children, Ethan and Lucy Mae. On some weekends they can be found exploring Texas and beyond in their pop-up camper.
Deacon Erin Moniz loves to disciple and create content for emerging adults. As a chaplain at Baylor University, she is active in spiritual formation, mentoring, discipleship, and programming for young adults. She is the co-host for the Mutuality Matters podcast and a trained conciliator. She and her husband, Michael, were married in 2005 and ever since, have been blessed to care for young people and live out the testimony of God's sanctifying work in relationships. When they are not narrating the inner monologue of their two cats, Erin and Michael love to hike, camp, watch movies, and partake of local fare with friends. Find Erin on social media @erinfmoniz, and her personal website is erinfmoniz.com. Sign up for her newsletter on her site!
Learn more about Erin and Matthew and their church ministry by following @allsaintswaco on Instagram.
Other Reading
Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships
Created to Thrive: Cultivating Abuse-Free Communities
(Men & Women Leading Together) Creating Safe and Thriving Mixed-Gender Partnerships
The Unavoidable Link Between Patriarchal Theology and Spiritual Abuse
Theological Malpractice Stands Culpable in Sexual Abuse: Mitch Randall
Kingdom-Based Diversity: Embracing the Priesthood of All Believers
Sunday Jan 22, 2023
Sunday Jan 22, 2023
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, host Angela visits with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes to discuss how a justice imagination is necessary for people of color and everyone involved in the work of social justice as they navigate the daily realities that come with living in America. Gabby delves into how the Psalms provide a perfect expression of hope rooted and grounded in the faithfulness of God despite one’s current circumstances. She describes hope as an act of resistance as we imagine a future that aligns with God’s vision of kingdom life in this earthly realm.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes is a pastor, leader, innovation strategist and author. She is a strategist by training and is the founding-co lead pastor of The Double Love Experience Church in Brooklyn, New York. Her work has been featured in Essence, Forbes, and The New York Times. She is the co-author of Psalms for Black Lives: Reflections for the Work of Liberation. Dr. Gabby holds a doctorate from Duke University, a master of divinity from Yale University, a master of arts from NYU, and a bachelor’s degree from Hampton University. She is the vice president of the Yale Divinity School Alumni Board and a member of the Morehouse College MLK Board of Preachers. Dr. Gabby is a proud member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority incorporated and is committed to the work of love and justice.
Connect with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes:
@PastorGabbyCWilkes (IG) & @GabbyCWilkes (Twitter).