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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
Episodes
Friday Jan 13, 2023
Friday Jan 13, 2023
Show Notes
What are the implications of assigning the male gender to God? If God isn’t male, then why do we call God “Father”? Blake & Erin speak with Dr. Amy Peeler about her new book, Women and the Gender of God. Listen as they discuss the significance of the incarnation, Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and much more! You can pick up her book here. Follow her on social media at @albpeeler and visit her website to learn more: https://amypeeler.com/
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Amy Peeler is associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and associate rector at St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Geneva, Illinois. She is the author of You Are My Son: The Family of God in the Epistle to the Hebrews and the coauthor, with Patrick Gray, of Hebrews: An Introduction and Study Guide. Most recently, Dr. Peeler published her book Women and the Gender of God.
Other Reading
Imagining a Feminine God: Gendered Imagery in the Bible - CBE International
Icons of Christ: A Biblical and Systematic Theology for Women's Ordination
Friday Jan 06, 2023
Friday Jan 06, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnerships in East Africa with Deborah Asio. Deborah, as CBE’s liaison and a partner herself, reveals how highlighting the women of Scripture as powerful examples inspires women and men in East Africa to champion equality and mutuality for the flourishing of all. This work takes on the practical challenges of women’s economics and illiteracy that enables abuse in a patriarchal society, by providing menstruation kits to girls so they can attend school, and by training up male champions of women’s equality.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Deborah Asio is an organizational development professional with NGO experience who oversees CBE’s Africa partner projects. Deborah represents CBE and actively looks for opportunities to expand CBE’s social impact with new partners. Deborah holds workshops to train pastors, gives reproductive health talks to build girls’ agency as made in God’s image, provides Bible-based psychosocial support to women in refugee camps, and conducts male ally/champion classes so they can become Bible-inspired change agents to advocate with other men to end injustices for girls and women.
Other Reading
CBE’s Still Side-by-Side, available in many languages
Learn more about CBE’s Partners in East Africa: Partnering in Africa - CBE International
Listen to “A Lie Long Planted: Unearthing the Deep Roots of Gender Based Injustice” by Medad Birungi
Listen to Mutuality Matters podcast interview with Emily Onyango to better understand the East African situation for girls and women.
Listen to Terran Williams on patriarchy in South Africa: (New Voices) How Complementarianism Just Makes No Sense with Terran Williams | Mutuality Matters (podbean.com)
Friday Dec 23, 2022
Friday Dec 23, 2022
Show Notes
This month, Layla and Rob sit down with one of their favorite preachers, Beth Eckloff-Paz. Drawing on her eighteen years of ministry experience, Beth clearly describes the challenges she’s faced as a woman in ministry, she lays out a clear picture of what partnerships look like, and she casts a vision for how “the fullness of God is present in the both/and” of women and men partnering together. You’ll love learning from this bold and courageous leader!
Bio
Beth Eckloff-Paz has dedicated her life to mobilizing the next generation of leaders to live out the gospel and join God’s mission of justice and righteousness. She is currently pastoring college students and young adults at Lake Avenue Church in Pasadena, California.
Beth is a passionate communicator of the gospel and preaches at conferences and churches across the United States and internationally. She graduated from Fuller Theological Seminary with a Master of Divinity. During her time at Fuller, she received the 2018 Hooper–Keefe Preaching Award and the prestigious Parish Pulpit Fellowship (2019-2020) where she lived internationally in Guatemala and Albania. Beth also co-directs the PreacHER Academy, an online, synchronous, seminary-level learning experience. For more information and to apply for the next cohort, click here.
Beth has traveled to over thirty countries and served as a North American delegate for the Lausanne 2016 Younger Leaders Movement (YLG 2016). She enjoys coffee, gardening succulents, boxing, and reading. With eighteen years of full-time ministry experience, she continues to cultivate and build the kingdom of God with joy. See more of Beth’s story and listen to one of her sermons HERE.
Reach out to Beth at bethpaz.com or on Instagram @sojournerpaz
Other Reading
Better Together by Danielle Strickland
Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships
Leading Together: Lessons From Sharing Leadership in Ministry and Marriage
Friday Dec 16, 2022
Friday Dec 16, 2022
Show Notes
Most would agree that organizational performance is often a reflection of the quality of leadership guiding the organization. Well, the same is true for ministry. Dr. Jeanne Porter King sits with host Angela and shares the importance of leadership in ecclesial spaces. Together, they explore how the spiritual gift of leading is manifested by both women and men, how race and gender impact the way believers show up as leaders, and the ways by which the gift of leadership can and should be developed.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Jeanne Porter King is an author, business leader, inspirational teacher, speaker, ministry leader, and board-certified coach. She is the founder and president of TransPorter Group, Inc., a consulting practice specializing in leadership development, and diversity, equity, and inclusion strategy and training. Dr. Jeanne has developed leadership programs and has trained and coached leaders in twenty different countries. She also serves as the executive pastor of Christ Community Church in South Holland, Illinois.
Contact Information
Instagram: @drjeanneporterking
Twitter: @drjeannepking
Website: www.drjeanneporterking.com
Resources
The Paradox of Power: 7 Leadership Strategies in the Age of #ChurchToo
How Can Churches Encourage Women Leaders?
Friday Dec 09, 2022
Friday Dec 09, 2022
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Show Notes
CBE International’s Mutuality Magazine Winter Issue tackles the topic of Jesus and Women. To help us think deeply about this and how it affects our discipleship and reading of Scripture, Dr. Lynn Cohick comes on the podcast to talk with Erin and Blake.
Bio
Dr. Cohick presently serves as Provost and Dean of Academic Affairs of Northern Seminary in Lisle, Illinois. She teaches New Testament and is leading the development of DMin and MA programs in women's studies, and the Women's Center for Leadership at Northern Seminary. She has her bachelor’s degree from Messiah College, and a Ph.D. in New Testament and Christian Origins from the University of Pennsylvania. After 18 years as professor of New Testament and Biblical Studies at Wheaton College she accepted the invitation to join Denver Seminary as their Provost / Dean. Dr. Cohick has also taught at Messiah College and Nairobi Evangelical Graduate School of Theology. She is the author of Christian Women in the Patristic World: Their Influence, Authority, and Legacy in the Second Through Fifth Centuries, as well as Women in the World of the Earliest Christians, and commentaries on Phillipians and Ephesians among many other articles and publications. She contributed a chapter about Jesus and the Samaritan woman in Vindicating the Vixens: Revisiting Sexualized, Vilified, and Marginalized Women in the Bible. She enjoys preaching from the Bible, teaching on matters pertaining to women’s ministry, and exploring issues pertaining to the historical relationship between Jews and Christians.
Other Reading
Vindicating the Vixens: Revisiting Sexualized, Vilified, and Marginalized Women in the Bible.
Christian Women in the Patristic World: Their Influence, Authority, and Legacy in the Second Through Fifth Centuries
The Samaritan Woman's Story: Reconsidering John 4 After #ChurchToo
Center for Women and Leadership at Northern Seminary
Alabaster Jar Podcast
Friday Dec 02, 2022
Friday Dec 02, 2022
In this second episode in a two-part interview of Mutuality Matters (Global Impact), Frankie Quirke explains how she became involved in Tearfund’s work with gender and equality and how it grew to include programs designed to minimize sexual and gender-based violence. She speaks of new initiatives and horizons that more fully include the whole family by sharing stories from the field that illustrate the work.
Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio:
Francesca Quirke is Tearfund's sexual and gender-based violence program manager. Franky is passionate about the church championing gender justice and has been supporting Tearfund's work on preventing sexual and gender-based violence for seven years. Tearfund's “Transforming Masculinities” approach engages faith leaders and faith communities to shift harmful gender norms and create new equitable relationships and practices and is now being run in over seventeen countries. Francesca lives in Brighton in the UK and holds a masters in gender and international development from the London School of Economics and Political Science.
Other Reading & Resources
- Created To Thrive: Created Abuse-Gree Faith Communities, edited by Elizabeth Beyer.
Friday Nov 25, 2022
Friday Nov 25, 2022
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Show Notes
Join us this week on Mutuality Matters Rev. Tim Breen helps us consider how continual “one-degree adjustments” cultivate a culture of mutuality in the church. Tim also shares his personal journey toward egalitarianism, as well as helpful reflections on Scripture.
Bio
Rev. Tim Breen serves as the lead pastor of First Reformed Church in Orange City, a position he has held since 2010. Tim received his bachelor's from Northwestern College and his Master of Divinity from Western Theological Seminary. His ministry interests are preaching, church growth, intercultural learning, and staff and church administration. On Saturdays, you can find him cheering on his beloved Michigan Wolverines.
Find Tim at www.telosblog.com, follow him at @tsbreen on Twitter.
Other Reading
3 Practical Changes Churches Can Make To Empower Women - CBE International
How A Pastor and A Church Changed Their Stance on Women in Ministry - CBE International
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Show Notes
As disciples striving to reflect the true nature of God through Christ, we must have courage to be different than most people in the world, including how we deal with racism. Michelle T. Sanchez, author of the newly released book, Color-Courageous Discipleship: Follow Jesus, Dismantle Racism, and Build Beloved Community, shares with Angela her belief that it is impossible to separate race, discipleship, and our relationship with God. Listen in as they discuss both the theological foundation for her assertion and the practical implications for how we live "color-courageously" daily, choosing to see color so that we can dismantle racism, pursue equity, and build beloved community.
To receive a sneak peek of Color-Courageous Discipleship: Follow Jesus, Dismantle Racism, and Build Beloved Community (first chapter) and God’s Beloved Community: A Picture Book (first few pages) text “courage” to 44144. Doing this will also subscribe you to receive more information and updates from Michelle T. Sanchez.
Bio
Michelle T. Sanchez, MDiv, ThM, is the senior discipleship and evangelism leader of the Evangelical Covenant Church, a vibrant multiethnic denomination of more than 875 congregations. Michelle completed seminary degrees at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary and spiritual direction training at Boston College. She is a conference speaker and a columnist with Outreach magazine. Michelle has enjoyed engaging with colorful cultures in over thirty countries and territories around the world. She and her husband, Mickey, live with their children in the Chicago area.
Other Reading and Resources:
“Color-Courageous Biblical Equality” at CBE’s 2022 International Conference in Atlanta, Georgia (Video)
Color-Courageous Discipleship: Follow Jesus, Dismantle Racism, and Build Beloved Community by Michelle T. Sanchez
Learn more about Michelle at https://michelletsanchez.com/
Friday Nov 11, 2022
Friday Nov 11, 2022
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Show Notes
Why are there not as many women ministers? Dr. Susan Harris Howell talks with hosts Blake and Erin about her work on the socialization of women and men. There are several variables that contribute to the diminishing of women, such as the gendered language we use daily without thought. In this episode, we learn what these variables are and how we can counter their effects. Be sure to pick up Dr. Howell’s book, “Buried Talents” at the CBE bookstore and visit her website to learn more: https://www.susanharrishowell.com/
Bio
Dr. Susan Harris Howell is a writer, speaker, and professor of Psychology, based in Central Kentucky. After graduating from Campbellsville College, she went on to the University of Louisville for her graduate work, receiving a Master of Education with an emphasis in marriage and family counseling and a Doctor of Education with an emphasis in counseling and development. She worked as a therapist before beginning her teaching career. She has written extensively on the topic of biblical gender equality. Dr. Howell teaches classes on gender studies and integrating faith and psychology at Campbellsville University in Kentucky. She is the author of Buried Talents: Overcoming Gendered Socialization to Answer God’s Call, as well as a number of articles about the importance of following our own gifts and calling rather than letting others dictate to us which pursuits are appropriate for women and men.
Other Reading
Buried Talents by Susan Harris Howell
The Desk: Four Lessons to Help Women Tackle the Impossible by Susan Harris Howell
No Longer Male and Female: Why Do We Still Separate by Gender in Church? by Vanessa Bickle
Monday Nov 07, 2022
Monday Nov 07, 2022
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Show Notes
In this first episode of a two-part interview on Mutuality Matters, “Global Impact” thread, Frankie Quirke explains how Tearfund’s work grew to include programs designed to minimize sexual and gender-based violence in the home, church, and community. Tearfund’s community-centered approach reduced the stigma experienced by survivors of rape and helped to make their churches places of safety and healing. Furthermore, in a community atmosphere, it addressed poor theology that held men as superior to women, reflecting on sin and God’s intention for flourishing humanity in relationship with God, one another, and creation.
Bio
Francesca Quirke is Tearfund's sexual and gender-based violence program manager.
Franky is passionate about the church championing gender justice and has been supporting Tearfund's work on preventing sexual and gender-based violence for seven years. Tearfund's Transforming Masculinities approach engages faith leaders and faith communities to shift harmful gender norms and create new equitable relationships and practices and is now being run in over seventeen countries. Francesca lives in Brighton in the UK and holds a master's degree in gender and international development from the London School of Economics and Political Science.
Other Reading & Resources
1. Created To Thrive: Created Abuse-Gree Faith Communities, edited by Elizabeth Beyer.
2. CBE’s “Ideas have Consequences” Conference Recordings
3. The Headship of Men and the Abuse of Women: Are They Related in Any Way? By Kevin Giles
4. Tearfund podcast: Faith in Development-Season 2: Gender and Protection