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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
Episodes
Friday Feb 24, 2023
Friday Feb 24, 2023
Show Notes
This month Layla and Rob chat with Amy and Mac Smith, married campus ministers. The Smiths help us think through the nitty gritty details of partnership in ministry and in marriage. How do they make it work? They’re super intentional! Listeners will be inspired (and challenged!) by their example of abundant communication, working through power differentials, being purposeful with modeling, taking gifting seriously, and even resolving conflict publicly!
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Amy and Mac Smith have been on staff with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship for twenty-five years. Amy is a regional ministry director for InterVarsity in the Rocky Mountain Region and Mac is a senior area ministry director for InterVarsity in Northern Utah. Amy and Mac spent nine years leading ministry in Reno, Nevada, where they built one of the largest InterVarsity chapters in the country and saw hundreds of students come to faith and developed many students into lifelong Christian leaders. In 2007 they moved to Utah where at the time there was just a handful of students on two campuses and now fifteen years later there are over 400 students involved with InterVarsity from every campus in the state of Utah. Amy and Mac live in Ogden, Utah, with their two boys—Gabe, 17, and Hudson, 14.
If listeners would like to connect…
Mac’s email: mac.smith@intervarsity.org
Amy’s email: amy.smith@intervarsity.org
Related Resources
Strategies for an Equal Marriage in the Midst of Unequal Career Demands
Women and Men Leading Together: Living as the Beloved Community with Drs. Quentin and Cindy Kinnison
Leading Together: Lessons from Sharing Leadership in Ministry and Marriage
Saturday Feb 18, 2023
Saturday Feb 18, 2023
Show Notes
If you say that you follow Jesus, then your life should reflect the teachings of Jesus. Angela and Dr. Susan K. Williams Smith discuss how the teachings of Jesus stood diametrically opposed to doctrines that support empire-building and oppressive power structures. Instead, we are called to love each other and to tend to the least of these within our society. The call to be a Christian is a call to a radical lifestyle that is not always popular but does usher in the reign of Christ on earth.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Susan K. Williams Smith is an ordained minister, musician, writer, and activist living in Columbus, Ohio. She has written for the Washington Post and Huffington Post, as well as on her blog, Candid Observations. She currently serves as one of the tri-chairs for the Ohio Poor People’s Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival. She also serves as national scribe for the African American Ministers’ Leadership Council (AAMLC), communications consultant for the Samuel DeWitt Proctor Conference, and is the founder of Crazy Faith Ministries. She is a graduate of Occidental College and Yale Divinity School and earned a DMin from United Theological Seminary. Her previous book, Crazy Faith: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Lives, was published by Judson Press.
Means of Contacting
Susan@sdpconference.info
crazyfaithministries.org
https://www.facebook.com/CandidObserver
Twitter: @cassady2euca
Related Reading:
Womanist Liberation for All
We Are Our Foremothers’ Wildest Dream
Women in Scripture and Mission: Sojourner Truth
Audio: Recovering History: Antebellum Evangelical Feminist Voices in the Condemnation of Slavery
Friday Feb 10, 2023
Friday Feb 10, 2023
Show Notes
Did women hold positions of authority in the early church? Dr. Nijay Gupta talks with hosts Erin and Blake about his forthcoming book, Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church. Be sure to pick up Dr. Gupta’s book on March 14 and visit his blog, Crux Sola, https://www.patheos.com/blogs/cruxsola/ or follow him on Twitter @NijayKGupta or listen to his podcast: Slow Theology.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Nijay K. Gupta (PhD, New Testament, University of Durham) is a professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary. Previously, he was a professor of New Testament at Portland Seminary, where he also oversaw the master's thesis program and advised doctoral students. He is the author of the book Tell Her Story, Worship That Makes Sense to Paul, and Prepare, Succeed, Advance: A Guidebook for Getting a PhD in Biblical Studies and Beyond along with Bible commentaries and over a dozen academic articles in theological journals.
Related Resources
Why Deborah Makes All the Difference
Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church
Friday Feb 03, 2023
Friday Feb 03, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim interview Dr. Beth Birmingham who explores egalitarian leadership in Christian humanitarian organizations, discussing how their cultural, theological, and organizational perspectives often determine their commitment to egalitarian leadership. Birmingham combines a straight-forward analysis with personal faith and on-the-ground mentoring of women and men to provide a powerful lens into human flourishing in the nonprofit world.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Beth Birmingham is an author, speaker, and chief facilitator for The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development. As a previous full-time professor at Eastern University, she’s spent 25 years developing leaders for and serving in global development organizations, work that has taken her to over 30 countries. She is the co-author of Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive (IVP, 2022) and past publications on NGO Partnerships, including Shared Strength (Compassion Press, 2010). Beth is a member of the Wheaton Consortium for Development, Gender, and Christianity. Beth holds a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University, and an MBA in International Economic Development from Eastern University.
Contact Information
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethbirmingham
Email: Beth@the-christianalliance.org
Learn More about Dr. Birmingham
https://www.cbeinternational.org/person/beth-birmingham/
https://www.eastern.edu/beth-birmingham
https://www.ivpress.com/beth-birmingham
https://www.tearfundusa.org/beth_birmingham
Resources
Read Dr. Beth Birmingham’s book, Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive.
Read a preview to Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Speaker Highlight: Beth Birmingham and Eeva Sallinen Simard.
Watch Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Video: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Creating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive.
Listen to our Mutuality Matters Podcast Interview with Ron and Arbutus Sider.
Friday Jan 27, 2023
Friday Jan 27, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, Layla and Rob sit down with Rev. Dr. Erin Moniz and Father Matthew Aughtry to learn about their unique ministry partnership. During the week, Matthew works for Erin, but on the weekend the reverse is true! You’ll enjoy hearing Erin and Matthew talk about how a deep and vital friendship, an open-handed view of power, and a healthy dose of communication make their partnership thrive.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Filmmaker, priest, and chaplain. Before helping plant All Saints, Fr. Matthew Aughtry served the ACNA at Christ Church Waco and ACNA/C4SO at Resurrection Los Angeles. He works for Baylor University as a chaplain overseeing ministry to artists and working to foster a deeper imagination for God’s kingdom through various artistic mediums. He is also a Brehm Scholar in theology and film at Fuller Theological Seminary. He is married to Kathryn and they have two children, Ethan and Lucy Mae. On some weekends they can be found exploring Texas and beyond in their pop-up camper.
Deacon Erin Moniz loves to disciple and create content for emerging adults. As a chaplain at Baylor University, she is active in spiritual formation, mentoring, discipleship, and programming for young adults. She is the co-host for the Mutuality Matters podcast and a trained conciliator. She and her husband, Michael, were married in 2005 and ever since, have been blessed to care for young people and live out the testimony of God's sanctifying work in relationships. When they are not narrating the inner monologue of their two cats, Erin and Michael love to hike, camp, watch movies, and partake of local fare with friends. Find Erin on social media @erinfmoniz, and her personal website is erinfmoniz.com. Sign up for her newsletter on her site!
Learn more about Erin and Matthew and their church ministry by following @allsaintswaco on Instagram.
Other Reading
Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships
Created to Thrive: Cultivating Abuse-Free Communities
(Men & Women Leading Together) Creating Safe and Thriving Mixed-Gender Partnerships
The Unavoidable Link Between Patriarchal Theology and Spiritual Abuse
Theological Malpractice Stands Culpable in Sexual Abuse: Mitch Randall
Kingdom-Based Diversity: Embracing the Priesthood of All Believers
Sunday Jan 22, 2023
Sunday Jan 22, 2023
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, host Angela visits with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes to discuss how a justice imagination is necessary for people of color and everyone involved in the work of social justice as they navigate the daily realities that come with living in America. Gabby delves into how the Psalms provide a perfect expression of hope rooted and grounded in the faithfulness of God despite one’s current circumstances. She describes hope as an act of resistance as we imagine a future that aligns with God’s vision of kingdom life in this earthly realm.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes is a pastor, leader, innovation strategist and author. She is a strategist by training and is the founding-co lead pastor of The Double Love Experience Church in Brooklyn, New York. Her work has been featured in Essence, Forbes, and The New York Times. She is the co-author of Psalms for Black Lives: Reflections for the Work of Liberation. Dr. Gabby holds a doctorate from Duke University, a master of divinity from Yale University, a master of arts from NYU, and a bachelor’s degree from Hampton University. She is the vice president of the Yale Divinity School Alumni Board and a member of the Morehouse College MLK Board of Preachers. Dr. Gabby is a proud member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority incorporated and is committed to the work of love and justice.
Connect with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes:
@PastorGabbyCWilkes (IG) & @GabbyCWilkes (Twitter).
Friday Jan 13, 2023
Friday Jan 13, 2023
Show Notes
What are the implications of assigning the male gender to God? If God isn’t male, then why do we call God “Father”? Blake & Erin speak with Dr. Amy Peeler about her new book, Women and the Gender of God. Listen as they discuss the significance of the incarnation, Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and much more! You can pick up her book here. Follow her on social media at @albpeeler and visit her website to learn more: https://amypeeler.com/
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Amy Peeler is associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and associate rector at St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Geneva, Illinois. She is the author of You Are My Son: The Family of God in the Epistle to the Hebrews and the coauthor, with Patrick Gray, of Hebrews: An Introduction and Study Guide. Most recently, Dr. Peeler published her book Women and the Gender of God.
Other Reading
Imagining a Feminine God: Gendered Imagery in the Bible - CBE International
Icons of Christ: A Biblical and Systematic Theology for Women's Ordination
Friday Jan 06, 2023
Friday Jan 06, 2023
Show Notes
In this episode, Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnerships in East Africa with Deborah Asio. Deborah, as CBE’s liaison and a partner herself, reveals how highlighting the women of Scripture as powerful examples inspires women and men in East Africa to champion equality and mutuality for the flourishing of all. This work takes on the practical challenges of women’s economics and illiteracy that enables abuse in a patriarchal society, by providing menstruation kits to girls so they can attend school, and by training up male champions of women’s equality.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Deborah Asio is an organizational development professional with NGO experience who oversees CBE’s Africa partner projects. Deborah represents CBE and actively looks for opportunities to expand CBE’s social impact with new partners. Deborah holds workshops to train pastors, gives reproductive health talks to build girls’ agency as made in God’s image, provides Bible-based psychosocial support to women in refugee camps, and conducts male ally/champion classes so they can become Bible-inspired change agents to advocate with other men to end injustices for girls and women.
Other Reading
CBE’s Still Side-by-Side, available in many languages
Learn more about CBE’s Partners in East Africa: Partnering in Africa - CBE International
Listen to “A Lie Long Planted: Unearthing the Deep Roots of Gender Based Injustice” by Medad Birungi
Listen to Mutuality Matters podcast interview with Emily Onyango to better understand the East African situation for girls and women.
Listen to Terran Williams on patriarchy in South Africa: (New Voices) How Complementarianism Just Makes No Sense with Terran Williams | Mutuality Matters (podbean.com)
Friday Dec 23, 2022
Friday Dec 23, 2022
Show Notes
This month, Layla and Rob sit down with one of their favorite preachers, Beth Eckloff-Paz. Drawing on her eighteen years of ministry experience, Beth clearly describes the challenges she’s faced as a woman in ministry, she lays out a clear picture of what partnerships look like, and she casts a vision for how “the fullness of God is present in the both/and” of women and men partnering together. You’ll love learning from this bold and courageous leader!
Bio
Beth Eckloff-Paz has dedicated her life to mobilizing the next generation of leaders to live out the gospel and join God’s mission of justice and righteousness. She is currently pastoring college students and young adults at Lake Avenue Church in Pasadena, California.
Beth is a passionate communicator of the gospel and preaches at conferences and churches across the United States and internationally. She graduated from Fuller Theological Seminary with a Master of Divinity. During her time at Fuller, she received the 2018 Hooper–Keefe Preaching Award and the prestigious Parish Pulpit Fellowship (2019-2020) where she lived internationally in Guatemala and Albania. Beth also co-directs the PreacHER Academy, an online, synchronous, seminary-level learning experience. For more information and to apply for the next cohort, click here.
Beth has traveled to over thirty countries and served as a North American delegate for the Lausanne 2016 Younger Leaders Movement (YLG 2016). She enjoys coffee, gardening succulents, boxing, and reading. With eighteen years of full-time ministry experience, she continues to cultivate and build the kingdom of God with joy. See more of Beth’s story and listen to one of her sermons HERE.
Reach out to Beth at bethpaz.com or on Instagram @sojournerpaz
Other Reading
Better Together by Danielle Strickland
Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships
Leading Together: Lessons From Sharing Leadership in Ministry and Marriage
Friday Dec 16, 2022
Friday Dec 16, 2022
Show Notes
Most would agree that organizational performance is often a reflection of the quality of leadership guiding the organization. Well, the same is true for ministry. Dr. Jeanne Porter King sits with host Angela and shares the importance of leadership in ecclesial spaces. Together, they explore how the spiritual gift of leading is manifested by both women and men, how race and gender impact the way believers show up as leaders, and the ways by which the gift of leadership can and should be developed.
Disclaimer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
Bio
Dr. Jeanne Porter King is an author, business leader, inspirational teacher, speaker, ministry leader, and board-certified coach. She is the founder and president of TransPorter Group, Inc., a consulting practice specializing in leadership development, and diversity, equity, and inclusion strategy and training. Dr. Jeanne has developed leadership programs and has trained and coached leaders in twenty different countries. She also serves as the executive pastor of Christ Community Church in South Holland, Illinois.
Contact Information
Instagram: @drjeanneporterking
Twitter: @drjeannepking
Website: www.drjeanneporterking.com
Resources
The Paradox of Power: 7 Leadership Strategies in the Age of #ChurchToo
How Can Churches Encourage Women Leaders?