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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
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Thursday Dec 10, 2020
S2 E13: A Theology of Family + An Apocalyptic Advent
Thursday Dec 10, 2020
Thursday Dec 10, 2020
Yes, we really do talk about advent and the apocalypse. It is 2020, after all.
Join hosts Blake and Erin and their guest Dr. Emily McGowin as they discuss what family really means for our gender theology and what advent can look like this year.
Dr. Emily H. McGowin serves as Assistant Professor of Theology at Wheaton College and as a priest and Canon Theologian in the ACNA diocese of Churches for the Sake of Others (C4SO). She specializes in the study of lived religion and what it offers the work of theology. Her first book was published by Fortress Press in 2018: Quivering Families: The Quiverfull Movement and Evangelical Theology of the Family. Her Ph.D. in theology is from the University of Dayton. She has an M.Div. from Truett Seminary at Baylor University, and a B.A. in biblical studies from Criswell College. She is married to Ron and we have three children. You can follow her on Twitter: @emilymcgowin. For her most recent project, she is serving as the editor for a new series tentatively titled The Fullness of Time: A Journey Through the Church Year which will include many diverse authors and theologians. The first two books in the series will release in Winter 2022 from Intervarsity Press.

Thursday Dec 03, 2020
S2 E12: Redeeming Paul - Part 2
Thursday Dec 03, 2020
Thursday Dec 03, 2020
After a so many episodes of Blake referencing her work, Dr. Cynthia Westfall is finally a guest on the show!
Join hosts Blake and Erin and guest Dr. Cynthia Westfall in their discussion about those verses that are always brought into question around gender theology. The conversation is so good, we had to break it into TWO parts!
Cynthia Long Westfall, PhD, is assistant professor of New Testament at McMaster Divinity College in Hamilton, Ontario. She is the author of Discourse Analysis of the Letter to the Hebrews: The Relationship Between Form and Meaning (T. & T. Clark, 2006), and Paul and Gender: Reclaiming the Apostle's Vision for Men and Women in Christ (Baker Academic, 2016) and has been part of an urban mission to the inner city in Denver for more than twenty years. For the last five years, she has also been involved in urban ministry in the Greater Toronto area.

Thursday Nov 19, 2020
S2 E11: Redeeming Paul - Part 1
Thursday Nov 19, 2020
Thursday Nov 19, 2020
After a so many episodes of Blake referencing her work, Dr. Cynthia Westfall is finally a guest on the show!
Join hosts Blake and Erin and guest Dr. Cynthia Westfall in their discussion about those verses that are always brought into question around gender theology. The conversation is so good, we had to break it into TWO parts!
Cynthia Long Westfall, PhD, is assistant professor of New Testament at McMaster Divinity College in Hamilton, Ontario. She is the author of Discourse Analysis of the Letter to the Hebrews: The Relationship Between Form and Meaning (T. & T. Clark, 2006), and Paul and Gender: Reclaiming the Apostle's Vision for Men and Women in Christ (Baker Academic, 2016) and has been part of an urban mission to the inner city in Denver for more than twenty years. For the last five years, she has also been involved in urban ministry in the Greater Toronto area.

Thursday Nov 12, 2020
S2 E10: Patriarchy Hurts Everyone
Thursday Nov 12, 2020
Thursday Nov 12, 2020
In this episode, the hosts and their guest, Eugene Hung, not only touch on Marvel's Agents of Shield and church youth group camp culture, but also unpack the "Man Box." The conversation also turns to intersectionality and gender-based violence, as Eugene walks through his story and our theology on these pressing issues.
Eugene Hung is an advocate, educator, and writer. His blog, Feminist Asian Dad, is the main hub for his writings but you can also find his columns, and articles in AsianceMagazine.com, FindingBalance.com, HuffPost, The Mary Sue, Sojourners, Red Letter Christians, Christians for Biblical Equality, 8Asians, Thick Dumpling Skin, Catalytic Women, and the National Park Service. In addition to being a freelance writer, Hung is also a public speaker on women’s rights, masculinity, and relationship and sexual violence prevention. Previously, he worked as an educator at the University of California, Irvine in the Campus Assault Resources and Education (CARE) office. Before that, he was on the paid staff of the nonprofit Man Up Campaign as a movement organizer and digital communications manager. And before even that, he served for more than 12 years as a church minister. Eugene holds a Th.M. degree in leadership, a B.A. in math and political science, and he is state-certified to serve as a sexual assault victim advocate.
He lives with his wife and two daughters in Southern California. Eugene states: “My experiences with my girls and my advocacy on their behalf provide the fodder for my commentary on parenting, gender, feminism, race, and culture.”

Thursday Oct 29, 2020
S2 E9: Decolonizing Our Gender Theology
Thursday Oct 29, 2020
Thursday Oct 29, 2020
Erin, Blake, and their guest Nicole Foster tackle a lot in this episode, touching on all things race, woman leadership, and marriage. Buckle up for an episode that is sure to make you laugh along with the conversation while planting some new thoughts, just like it did for our hosts.
Nicole Foster is an educator from Dallas TX. She works at a high school for at-risk teens and founded “Lady Life;” a mentoring program for young women in her school. She also travels as a professor of Old Testament through Richmond Bible Institute and is currently the founder and minister of Hippie Theologian - an online community of public theology; giving voice to theological issues that concern society at large. She has her Bacholers in History from Southern Methodist University and her Masters of Divinity from Redeemer Seminary. She is currently a doctoral candidate at Trinity School for Ministry where she studies the theological culture of online religious forums such as Hippie Theologian.

Thursday Oct 15, 2020
S2 E8: Significance of Singleness
Thursday Oct 15, 2020
Thursday Oct 15, 2020
"They assume Christians lead natural lives."
If you have been listening for awhile now, you may catch a couple callbacks in this episode, as Erin and Blake discuss singleness with their guest Dr. Christina Hitchcock. The three take a deep dive into what singleness means in the church and what it means for gender theology.
Christina Hitchcock has her PhD from University of Aberdeen. She is a professor of theology at the University of Sioux Falls in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, where she has taught for more than fifteen years. Her current research focuses on the intersection of theology and culture. She is the author of The Significance of Singleness which came out in 2018 from Baker Publishing.

Thursday Oct 01, 2020
S2 E7: Gender Can't Capture God
Thursday Oct 01, 2020
Thursday Oct 01, 2020
From Hamilton analysis to discussing the gender of God, the conversation between hosts Erin and Blake and Dr. Natalie Carnes covers topics we've all wanted to talk with a theologian about.
Natalie is a constructive theologian who reflects on traditional theological topics through somewhat less traditional themes, like images, iconoclasm, beauty, gender, and childhood. For this work, she draws on literary and visual works as sites of theological reflection, and her interest in doing so takes her into questions of religious knowledge and authority. What are the possibilities and limitations of different theological genres? Her third book, forthcoming spring 2020, is a theological narrative entitled Motherhood: A Confession. It mirrors the structure and themes of Augustine's Confessions to offer a different story that reflects on different flesh as to consider what it means to be human in the face of the divine.
Currently, she is working on a new project, co-authored with Matthew Whelan, that explores intersections of poverty, aesthetics, luxury, and art. In it, they pursue the question: What is the place of art in a world of poverty and suffering?
Natalie lives in Waco with her husband and three children. Visit her site!

Thursday Sep 17, 2020
S2 E6: Jesus Came to Disrupt
Thursday Sep 17, 2020
Thursday Sep 17, 2020
In this episode, host Erin has a conversation with Sandra Van Opstal that challenges some of the narratives about diversity, inclusion, and unity.
Sandra is a second-generation Latina and a pastor at Grace and Peace Community on the west-side of Chicago. She is a preacher, liturgist and activist who is re-imagining the intersection of worship and justice.
In her fifteen years with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, Sandra mobilized thousands of college students for God’s mission of reconciliation and justice in the world. Sandra served as Director of Worship for the Urbana Missions Conference, Chicago Urban Program Director, Latino National Leadership Team (LaFe), and Northwestern University Team leader (Multiethnic fellowship).
Sandra’s influence has also reached many others through her leadership and preaching on topics such of worship and formation, justice, racial identity and reconciliation, and global mission. She has been featured at Wheaton College, North Park University, The Justice Conference, Evangelical Covenant conferences, Willow Creek Association conferences, and various churches. Sandra serves as a board member for Evangelicals for Justice and the Christian Community Development Association. Sandra was also the Worship Director for the IFES World Assemblyin Mexico 2015, Lausanne Younger Leaders Gathering in Jarkarta 2016 and Global Gathering in South Africa 2018. She is also the Executive director and Co-founder of Chasing Justice
In addition to her ministry experience, Sandra holds a Masters of Divinity from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Illinois and has been published in multiple journals. She has authored God’s Graffiti Devotional, Still Evangelical, The Mission of Worship and The Next Worship.
In this episode, Erin quotes from the book Prophetic Lament, which is also highly recommended.

Thursday Sep 03, 2020
S2 E5: Gender Roles + the Sexual Cartel
Thursday Sep 03, 2020
Thursday Sep 03, 2020
"Jesus spends a lot of time telling men to get over themselves."
Join hosts Erin and Blake and their special guest Carrie A. Miles as they walk through the often-overlooked sociological and anthropological context of gender in the Bible. It's no small task, but with the help of some useful analogies like from Les Misérables and Pride & Prejudice and the insightful stories from Carrie's' work, the hosts and guests have crafted quite the conversation that answers a lot of questions.
Carrie A. Miles is the author of The Redemption of Love: Rescuing Marriage and Sexuality from the Economics of a Fallen World , New Man, New Woman, New Life and Face-to-Face. As executive director of Empower International Ministries, Carrie travels throughout Africa and India, helping Christian leaders discover the biblical message of what God intended us to be to each other when He created us as male and female, and how we can reclaim His redemptive purpose in our lives. She holds a doctorate in social and organizational psychology (University of Chicago) and is a non-resident scholar at the Institute for the Studies of Religion at Baylor University in Texas.
Learn more about Carrie Miles here: http://www.carriemiles.com

Thursday Aug 20, 2020
S2 E4: Can We Man It Up?
Thursday Aug 20, 2020
Thursday Aug 20, 2020