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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
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Thursday Oct 29, 2020
S2 E9: Decolonizing Our Gender Theology
Thursday Oct 29, 2020
Thursday Oct 29, 2020
Erin, Blake, and their guest Nicole Foster tackle a lot in this episode, touching on all things race, woman leadership, and marriage. Buckle up for an episode that is sure to make you laugh along with the conversation while planting some new thoughts, just like it did for our hosts.
Nicole Foster is an educator from Dallas TX. She works at a high school for at-risk teens and founded “Lady Life;” a mentoring program for young women in her school. She also travels as a professor of Old Testament through Richmond Bible Institute and is currently the founder and minister of Hippie Theologian - an online community of public theology; giving voice to theological issues that concern society at large. She has her Bacholers in History from Southern Methodist University and her Masters of Divinity from Redeemer Seminary. She is currently a doctoral candidate at Trinity School for Ministry where she studies the theological culture of online religious forums such as Hippie Theologian.

Thursday Oct 15, 2020
S2 E8: Significance of Singleness
Thursday Oct 15, 2020
Thursday Oct 15, 2020
"They assume Christians lead natural lives."
If you have been listening for awhile now, you may catch a couple callbacks in this episode, as Erin and Blake discuss singleness with their guest Dr. Christina Hitchcock. The three take a deep dive into what singleness means in the church and what it means for gender theology.
Christina Hitchcock has her PhD from University of Aberdeen. She is a professor of theology at the University of Sioux Falls in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, where she has taught for more than fifteen years. Her current research focuses on the intersection of theology and culture. She is the author of The Significance of Singleness which came out in 2018 from Baker Publishing.

Thursday Oct 01, 2020
S2 E7: Gender Can't Capture God
Thursday Oct 01, 2020
Thursday Oct 01, 2020
From Hamilton analysis to discussing the gender of God, the conversation between hosts Erin and Blake and Dr. Natalie Carnes covers topics we've all wanted to talk with a theologian about.
Natalie is a constructive theologian who reflects on traditional theological topics through somewhat less traditional themes, like images, iconoclasm, beauty, gender, and childhood. For this work, she draws on literary and visual works as sites of theological reflection, and her interest in doing so takes her into questions of religious knowledge and authority. What are the possibilities and limitations of different theological genres? Her third book, forthcoming spring 2020, is a theological narrative entitled Motherhood: A Confession. It mirrors the structure and themes of Augustine's Confessions to offer a different story that reflects on different flesh as to consider what it means to be human in the face of the divine.
Currently, she is working on a new project, co-authored with Matthew Whelan, that explores intersections of poverty, aesthetics, luxury, and art. In it, they pursue the question: What is the place of art in a world of poverty and suffering?
Natalie lives in Waco with her husband and three children. Visit her site!

Thursday Sep 17, 2020
S2 E6: Jesus Came to Disrupt
Thursday Sep 17, 2020
Thursday Sep 17, 2020
In this episode, host Erin has a conversation with Sandra Van Opstal that challenges some of the narratives about diversity, inclusion, and unity.
Sandra is a second-generation Latina and a pastor at Grace and Peace Community on the west-side of Chicago. She is a preacher, liturgist and activist who is re-imagining the intersection of worship and justice.
In her fifteen years with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, Sandra mobilized thousands of college students for God’s mission of reconciliation and justice in the world. Sandra served as Director of Worship for the Urbana Missions Conference, Chicago Urban Program Director, Latino National Leadership Team (LaFe), and Northwestern University Team leader (Multiethnic fellowship).
Sandra’s influence has also reached many others through her leadership and preaching on topics such of worship and formation, justice, racial identity and reconciliation, and global mission. She has been featured at Wheaton College, North Park University, The Justice Conference, Evangelical Covenant conferences, Willow Creek Association conferences, and various churches. Sandra serves as a board member for Evangelicals for Justice and the Christian Community Development Association. Sandra was also the Worship Director for the IFES World Assemblyin Mexico 2015, Lausanne Younger Leaders Gathering in Jarkarta 2016 and Global Gathering in South Africa 2018. She is also the Executive director and Co-founder of Chasing Justice
In addition to her ministry experience, Sandra holds a Masters of Divinity from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Illinois and has been published in multiple journals. She has authored God’s Graffiti Devotional, Still Evangelical, The Mission of Worship and The Next Worship.
In this episode, Erin quotes from the book Prophetic Lament, which is also highly recommended.

Thursday Sep 03, 2020
S2 E5: Gender Roles + the Sexual Cartel
Thursday Sep 03, 2020
Thursday Sep 03, 2020
"Jesus spends a lot of time telling men to get over themselves."
Join hosts Erin and Blake and their special guest Carrie A. Miles as they walk through the often-overlooked sociological and anthropological context of gender in the Bible. It's no small task, but with the help of some useful analogies like from Les Misérables and Pride & Prejudice and the insightful stories from Carrie's' work, the hosts and guests have crafted quite the conversation that answers a lot of questions.
Carrie A. Miles is the author of The Redemption of Love: Rescuing Marriage and Sexuality from the Economics of a Fallen World , New Man, New Woman, New Life and Face-to-Face. As executive director of Empower International Ministries, Carrie travels throughout Africa and India, helping Christian leaders discover the biblical message of what God intended us to be to each other when He created us as male and female, and how we can reclaim His redemptive purpose in our lives. She holds a doctorate in social and organizational psychology (University of Chicago) and is a non-resident scholar at the Institute for the Studies of Religion at Baylor University in Texas.
Learn more about Carrie Miles here: http://www.carriemiles.com

Thursday Aug 20, 2020
S2 E4: Can We Man It Up?
Thursday Aug 20, 2020
Thursday Aug 20, 2020

Thursday Aug 06, 2020
S2 E3: It's Not a Gender Battle
Thursday Aug 06, 2020
Thursday Aug 06, 2020
They say never meet your heroes, but Erin did! And she was not disappointed! In this episode, Erin and Blake have a conversation with author and theologian, Carolyn Custis James. They touch on topics such as the biblical themes in Frozen 2, the story of Ruth, and the theology of the "blessed alliance."
Carolyn Custis James is an award winning author who thinks deeply about what it means to be a female follower of Jesus in a postmodern world. Her speaking and writing ministry is dedicated to addressing the deeper needs and issues confronting both women and men as they endeavor to extend God’s kingdom together in a messy and complicated world. Carolyn is an adjunct faculty member at Missio Seminary in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and a consulting editor for Zondervan’s Exegetical Commentary Series on the New Testament. She speaks regularly at church conferences, colleges, and for other Christian organizations both in the US and abroad and is a guest lecturer at various theological seminaries.
Find her work on her website: https://carolyncustisjames.com and follow her on Twitter at @carolynezer.
Pick up any one or more of her incredible books!
- Finding God in the Margins: The Book of Ruth (2018)
- Malestrom: Manhood Swept into the Currents of a Changing World (2015)
- Half the Church: Recapturing God’s Global Vision for Women (2011)
- The Gospel of Ruth: Loving God Enough to Break the Rules (2008)
- Understanding Purpose (2006)
- Lost Women of the Bible: The Women We Thought We Knew (2005)
- When Life and Beliefs Collide: How Knowing God Makes a Difference (2001)

Thursday Jul 23, 2020
S2 E2: ”Why didn‘t God make me a boy so I could be a preacher?”
Thursday Jul 23, 2020
Thursday Jul 23, 2020
In episode two of season two, Erin and Blake have a conversation with Kristen Padilla about theology of vocation and finding their calling while understanding the complex nature of women's leadership in the church. Padilla, who once thought the only way for her to be in ministry was to apply to be a pastor's wife, is currently the marketing and communications director for Beeson Divinity School. Her first book Now That I’m Called: A Guide for Women Discerning a Call to Ministry was released in 2018.
Support & Follow Kristen!

Thursday Jul 09, 2020
S2 E1: Tackling the Classics
Thursday Jul 09, 2020
Thursday Jul 09, 2020
Blake and Erin are back in action! This season we are excited to focus our episodes on the "classic" arguments from Scripture and culture about men and women in marriage, the church, and society. In this introductory episode, Blake & Erin give you a preview into what you can expect and who you can expect this season. These discussions are so big, we knew we'd need some help. So we asked our smart friends to join us and you won't want to miss out on this A-List cast of guests.
And be sure to listen to the podcast all the way to the end for a #BIGANNOUNCEMENT about a new feature we are introducing to our podcast fam. Welcome to #Season2!

Thursday May 07, 2020
Ep 12: Local Heroes - Dr. Jordan Rowan Fannin
Thursday May 07, 2020
Thursday May 07, 2020
In this final episode of season one, Blake and Erin talk with a Dr. Jordan Rowan Fannin, a theology professor at Berry College. Not only is she on first-name basis with Flannery O'Connor (unbeknownst to O'Conner), Dr. Rowan Fannin has a lot to share about teaching feminism and theology and what she personally has learned through this experience.
